S is for Set Hike! That's Good Enough for Me

The three caballeros return for the 21st inaugural episode (which is either mathematically impossible or spiritually accurate) and immediately dive into the true hard-hitting topic: how long new car smell survives Taco Bell and human existence? What follows is a chaotic blend of volatile organic compounds (aka VOCs), Dr. Jimmy John’s bread gut confessions, and a Masters betting flex that somehow turns into drone-assisted green jacket dressing. From there, the podcast whiplashes into Eagles draft strategy, where Stat Boy becomes a salary cap economist, Dr. TAT becomes a trench warfare philosopher, and Panda Dan just wants “some edge guy.” The conversation spirals through mascot depth charts, WrestleMania hype, and whether the Phillies are simply waiting for warm weather like reptiles. By the end, the crew is debating the fundamental definition of a cookie, accidentally threatening international bots, and a poor attempt at a Blomo review of the 'Die Hard in a sports arena'.

Key Topics Discussed

03:10 | Smell Rankings, Tennis Balls & Jimmy John’s Bread Guts

07:15 | Stat Boy Explains New Car Smell (Science Edition) + Car Buying Experience

11:30 | Masters Betting Recap (Panda Dan's Victory Lap), Green Jacket Logistics, & Drone Theory

20:45 | Eagles Draft Talk Begins (Positions & Philosophy) + Draft Value Economics (Stat Boy Masterclass)

33:30 | 2021 NFL Draft Revisited (Hits & Busts)

41:50 | Eagles Draft Predictions

44:30 | Philly Sports Check-In (Flyers, Sixers, Phillies)

47:30 | Mascot Football Depth Chart

50:50 | WrestleMania Preview

53:45 | Phillies Lineup Debates

56:30 | International Listener Explosion

59:20 | What Is a Cookie? (Philosophy Spiral)

Statistics & Facts

• 90% of new car smell dissipates within 1–6 months
• Rory McIlroy won the 2026 Masters, becoming the first back-to-back Masters winner since Tiger Woods — a span of just under 25 years.
• "Cookie" comes from the Dutch word koekje, meaning "little cake."
• Dutch settlers in New Amsterdam (New York) introduced the word to American English, where it beat out the British term "biscuit." 
• Set Hike! International reach: 
  • 30 countries total, Previously ~15 → doubled 
  • Cities listening: ~160 cities
  • Total downloads approaching: ~1000

Memorable Quotes

"We used bread guts as a rag." - Dr. TAT

"If you're just the only person in the car and you're not stopping at Burger King every night, it'll be longer. But if you have five kids and they're always stopping at Wendy's, it probably goes away faster." - Panda Dan

"New car smell is gone in 60 seconds if you spill cologne" - Dr. TAT's poor attempt at a disguised movie pun

"I’m not a golf guy, but I am a football guy." - Stat Boy

"I got about a 25% return on my investment." - Panda Dan

"We clearly have the two best mascots in sports."  - Stat Boy

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Transcript

Dr. TAT 0:21

Welcome everyone to the 21st inaugural episode of the Set Hike podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Tat, and with me as always is Panda Dan, Statboy. And it's Caballero episode once again, Dan. Three Musketeers. Yep. Yeah, we're here. We're starting a little later tonight, but that's okay. We we had some stuff to do, which we won't talk about because it's confidential, but we uh we had some stuff to do, and we're also dealing with heat. So I here at the Panda Seth Studios, we had to turn on the AC because we tried to start with the windows open at this beautiful house, but we just didn't think that would work. So we turned on the great air conditioner system. But yeah, it feels great. It's funny, Dan, because you just you you gave us so much, and I think you're you're you're just such a true pious Christian. You'd had to unburden yourself to open the podcast. They don't know when we record, which is interesting, but I'm glad that you let them know that we're late so we can I'll just talk a little bit faster. But no, it's uh how's your week been? Uh, you've been busy, huh? Good, good, yeah. Busy, congratulate you on your new automobile that you just showed us. Thank you very much. Just a bunch of new things for this guy. Yeah, yeah. New kid, new car. That's that's just kind of the way it works. Yeah. New episode. New episode. Yeah, yeah. Dr. Tat's car, which we won't disclose what it was because disclosure is important, but it has that classic new car smell. Yeah. And it I'm still like just enjoying that. Did you enjoy the I mean the new car? I the question is, how long does the new car smell last? Yeah. Now, and I'm talking about the authentic new car smell. Right, right, right. Right? Because you can, and there are probably millions of cabs, and I I don't know. Does anyone take cabs anymore, Dan? But there are many, many vehicles that are used for private transportation, and they'll have that new car smell. It's always like a blue, uh like a blue tree, right? The new car smell. I'm talking about the authentic, like off of the manufacturer car smell. How long does that last? I got an answer. Stat boy, that's what you're here. Dan, how long do you think the authentic manufactured new car smell lasts? Yeah, I mean, I guess it varies based on your lifestyle. Like if you just if you're the only person in the car and you're not the you don't you're not like stopping at Burger King every night. Great point, great point it'll it'll be longer, but if you have, you know, like five kids or something and like they're always stopping at Wendy's, then you know, you're it probably goes away faster. But but I would say on average, I would probably say like two and a half months. Two and a half months. Uh yeah. I I mean the other thing is like what if you yourself are a smelly person? It probably eats away at it.

Stat Boy 3:13

Why are you looking at me like that?

Dr. TAT 3:14

I I I just I have to look at one of you, and then I I look at the smellier one of you know based on my instincts. I mean, Dan's the one who has cologne in his car all the time. That's true. I mean, probably you spill cologne game over. New car smells gone in 60 seconds, right? Um they should make that a cologne itself, new car set. Yeah, I I think it would be great. I mean, so I'm gonna I'm gonna go under two and a half months. I'm gonna say it's about two and a half weeks. I it's not long. The shorter end, yeah. Yeah.

Stat Boy 3:42

I always thought it was that short, too.

Dr. TAT 3:43

But I thought your nuance was so well set, Dan, because I do think that like, you know, what if you like order Taco Bell, eat it in the car, and then, you know, have a bit of flatulence? I mean, that that could probably don't have time to shower and you just Yeah, because we don't we don't know, like at least I don't, and I don't know if Stat Boy Stat will tell us, but I don't know how resilient the new car smell is to other smells, right? Like where does it stand on the smell hierarchy? Yeah, yeah. Does it have endurance? Like, does it like you know is it built to like be like defend against smells or is it it's a top five smell, I would argue. Yeah. Is it in your top five smells? I mean, I'm a man that has smelled a lot of colognes and you know, I I played tennis. I always enjoyed when you open up a fresh can of tennis balls, that's a unique smell. That is true. I would compare that to the new car smell. Like they're both kind of yeah. What about Jimmy Johns and their and their free free smells? Yeah. Which which really they should stop doing. I mean, in this economy, can we give out free smells, Dan? I don't think so. I wouldn't. I think they had to be inflated. You were once an employee we won't just we don't talk about our work and stuff, but you were once an employee of Jimmy Johns back in the day. You sure was. Yeah. Did you deliver them? No, I was I was just a I was an artisan of the sandwich. And one of the things, just to I'm gonna get on a tangent here, but one of the things they always did at Jimmy Johns is you the the the default way to make the sandwich, and boy, we're going real inside Zekers. I don't even know if Jimmy Johns is gonna let me talk about this. But when you're at a Jimmy Johns and you're making the sandwich, you have to like the the sandwiches cut in half. They make their bread in their store. Oh yeah. Sandwich is cut in half, and then they called it like the bread guts, but like essentially the bottom half of the sandwich, we would we would take that dough out to create like basically like a hollow bread, like a bread igloo. So you're less bready. We're less bready, and so what you would do is you would take that, and we called it the bread guts, but it, you know, essentially the the for lack of a better term, the meat of a bread, right? Like the the pe the whitish stuff in between. Yeah, yeah. Right. I've seen other places do that too. I'm trying to think. It's always like good like deli type places to do that. You pull it out, and then what you do is you fill things in, but you can ask not to not to have your sandwich like de-gutted. That's like next time you're at Jimmy John's, just tell them like I don't want that pulled out, and they'll know you're like a real, they'll know you're a real one. Oh yeah. And what we always did is you when you take the bread guts out, because you know, your station would get messy, right? You would use that as like a little bit of like a rag, and then you throw it out. Oh, so it all gets tossed? Yeah, that was the move.

Stat Boy 6:21

Yeah, interesting.

Dr. TAT 6:22

So anyway, yeah, I I would say smells. Yeah. Jimmy John smell is a good one. I was a Jimmy Johns employee. The big Pepe was my favorite. Uh, did you have a favorite sandwich? Did you frequent Jimmy John's? Not a whole lot. I I respected it, but I was more of a quiz nose guy back in those days. Yeah, yeah. Rustin Pizza. And I don't know where what happened to them. Oh well. They were good. I think they went out. Mesquite chicken, I think was one of the things. Yeah, the chicken carbonero is the one I got. Nice. Yeah. All right. Computer Scott, he before he was diagnosed with HFM, he he was a huge quiz nose fan. Was he? Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, I think his olfactory function costs. Yeah. They just generated they're like, uh, our HFM rate is like 38%, sir. He's like, well, let's get out of this country. All right. So yeah, back to new car smell.

Stat Boy 7:14

Yeah. Yeah. So apparently the new car smell is caused by volatile compounds that are organic. So VOCs. They sound healthy. They don't. And then they're off-gassing of plastics, glues, materials. And these usually last from a few weeks to several months. But while 90% of the odors dissipate within the first month to six months, some of them can linger up to a year or more. Depending on how much ventilation, sun exposure, and then usage you have in the vehicle.

Dr. TAT 7:45

Okay. So it sounds like yet you'd have to like stick it in the garage if you really wanted to like hone it. But a year, I've never had like you have a new car. That's not a new car anymore. That's a used car smell. And I've never I've never achieved new car smell in a used car, like a year out. Yeah. Yeah.

Stat Boy 8:01

I always always wondered when I bought a used car if it smelled like a new car still. I'm like, no, they don't. I know. Have you bought a used car? Yeah, all my cars have been bought used. Yeah, so you you've so have you ever, I mean, you just smelled my car. But they're like, you know, they get in there like, oh, this is kind of smells like a new car. But it's like, is that a is that like a spray bottle? They just make it smell new, but it's really not. They're just like, all right, here, let's get some of these volatile organic compounds.

Dr. TAT 8:24

The VOCs. Some of those VOCs. I I don't even want to know what they're doing to our bodies when you're smelling it. It's probably, you know, probably shortens your life about it.

Stat Boy 8:32

Damn and the microplastics. Yeah.

Dr. TAT 8:35

Yeah. Now, how about can I ask you one more question about the car? You sure can. So how about the car buying process? Like I've always kind of I've only gone through it a few times, but I don't know. I feel like car salesmen, I don't know if we have any car salesmen that listen, and I'm not trying to disrespect, but yeah. Like a lot of them are great people. Burkhart, right? Yeah, I think I think Dan's about to take a very broad brush and make a stroke here. Let's see. Yeah. Like I think of Well, do I want to say this? There was one that fell asleep at a Sixers game once, and he's I always see him on my TV, and every time I'm like this guy. The legit listeners of this podcast will know exactly who you're talking about. Yeah. We want him for Christmas sponsor, so we won't. Yeah, definitely not.

Stat Boy 9:14

Yeah, we're not gonna name freaking.

Dr. TAT 9:16

But yeah, like what I'm trying to get at is was the car salesman like how did was it like a slime ball salesman or was it like a nice guy? It was an interesting process. Like the the way I did it this time was I I met with the folks because I I went with a new car, so I think there's less. I mean, certainly you can haggle till you're you know, till the cows come home, as they say. But I found that you know, I got a reasonable MSRP. I felt like it was within the wiggle room. I then like looked at what the other kind of fees are, and it was all the basic ones like a title, registration, dock fee. The transportation thing was like 400 bucks. So it all was like very on the up and up. And so I was already ready to budget it out. So I think the part that always annoys me is that you you agree on a price, you've got all that crap, and then they just start throwing stuff at you, right? Like this extended warranty, and and like, you know, you got to make sure that you have the right tin on your window, and uh, we can spray this volatile in you know, volatile inorganic compound to undo the car smell, and and that costs you know eighteen hundred dollars. So you I I say no to almost all of that. The one thing I do buy is tire protection because I've had bad luck. I mean, I've had three flat tires the last three years. Maybe that is I don't know if that's good or bad luck for flat tires. That's not normal. I it's probably where I drive. Dude, City Line, City Avenue and Lancaster Avenue, it is pothole city. Uh yeah. So I I get that one. I get that process. That's good. But yeah, I would I just to answer your question, the the buying process was congenial and it took about two hours, which was a long time for Mrs. Tat to have three children, one of which is a couple weeks old. So I probably probably did it a little too early in in the time frame, but uh you know. Yeah, you needed it. I needed it. Yeah. New car smell. Yeah, yeah. Well, congrats. That's uh we're happy for you. Yeah, I I'm happy for me too. Thank you. I mean, if we want to talk about sports, we could. I mean, I I could go into more smells that I enjoy, but yeah. I boy, where do we start? I I think that we should acknowledge because you we don't want to we're not gonna start every podcast, folks out there going through how important we are uh internationally now. Yeah, the the numbers speak for themselves, but you provided some rather sharp betting for the masters. I mean, tell me tell me how it went for you. You know, you don't have to disclose how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you won, but how did it go? Well, thank you. Yeah, so I'm proud to talk about this actually, because no one asked me about it this way. Well, one person at my job asked me about, which I appreciated. And uh shout out. Basically, yeah, so going into the masters, I like I said, I usually pick like like there's usually like a hundred or more golfers in every tournament. So you have to pick like nine to you have to pick at the like you know, five to ten golfers per tournament. Like you it's just hard to pick one. So I did so going into the masters, I one of my ten guys for four straight weeks has one. I call them my guys, you know, the guys that I bet on professionally. It was Rory Millionaire guy. So yeah, I like if I I have the list, like I Rory was one of my guys. So he, you know, he was but he was the fourth favorite going into the tournament, I think. So like it wasn't like that sharp of a pick, but he was like I didn't pick DeChambeau, but yeah, I did have Scheffler, Rahm, and I had Rory. So like I had three of the top four. I also had I on this podcast, I predict, you know, I'm on a lot of podcasts on this one specifically. This one right here. Thank you for your time. Yeah, yeah. I picked Justin Rose and I predicted. That's what I wanted to talk to you about. How did you get to Justin Rose? I mean, he finished third and arguably could have won the whole thing if he made a couple more putts. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I always remember at Marion he won the US Open, which was like 10 years ago, so who cares? But you know, that's special in my heart. He did win, he came in second in the Masters three times before. Yep. He won him, he won a tournament, I forget which one, but he won he won a tournament in 2026, a PGA tournament, so that's big. And yeah, I just felt, yeah, I mean I would even I was kind of surprised, but but the way I won I I won like I'd say I let's I won't say what I but I I got about 25% return on my investment. Yeah. All right, there you go. So it wasn't like blockbuster, but I but the way I did it was because I had Rory for the win. I had I had Rory for the win, top five, and top ten. So I got all three of those. I had Rose for win, top five, top ten. So he got top five, top ten. Yep. And then I had Scotty, I had Scotty win top five, top ten, he got top five, top ten. Nice. So and and then I had Kepka and I had Hideki, I had them too, but they just finished outside the top ten. So but still, that's four five in a row now that I've had the winner, which I'm excited. I mean, it it's pretty amazing. I mean, we are and folks, one of the things that we are approaching, and and this is again, I love previewing things outside of our Eagles coverage. Yeah, we're gonna head into horse racing territory, and let me tell you, if you won, I mean Razor Sharp, the guy right next to me, is one of the sharpest horse whisperers you're gonna ever meet. So stay tuned for that. But yeah, I wanted to congratulate you because I thought it was well earned. Um we all scoffed about Justin Rose. We talked about the stupid club that DeShambeau. He didn't even make the cut. I don't know. Did he make the cut? He didn't make the cut. I didn't watch anything. I just thought the the concept of the couple of things. I mean, he was the second favorite going in. So it was a you know, you guys. It was a big miss by us. Yeah. I mean, had you put he's he just wasn't one of your guys. I didn't have to. Was he ever one of your guys? Have you ever I never bet on DeShambeau? It's not his guy. Although he he won a major last year. I mean he's a yeah, he's a he's a stud. Now he's on Lived Golf, which Liv Golf's been in the news recently. If we won't have to talk about that, but yeah, they're trying to survive right now, I would say. Yeah, yeah. Well boy, I you you look a little beat up on that. Uh I don't I only bet on PGA. Yeah, I don't want to beat a dead horse. We want to bet on live ones, you know, coming up Kentucky Derby. Um yeah, so again, you you got the masters. I think you did extremely well. And and again, take a bow, brother. I mean, you you did it. I actually was very much hoping that we were going to get like a playoff. I mean, it was pretty close. Yeah. Um, I think if Sheffler had hit that one on like eleven or twelve, but you had I think it was interesting. Five guys at like between minus nine and minus eleven, I think. I mean, even like Rory was minus twelve at after Friday, which is he was on pace to have the best masters ever, because I think minus twenty is the record. Was that speet or Dustin Johnson? Like you're gonna be a good thing. Really? DJ got crazy. So then like on like Rory was on pace for 24 under, like if he played, you know, and then but then he the the last two days he basically went even, you know, and and he was even down two strokes in that final day, right? Like Rose was up two strokes, Cameron Young was up, Scheffler was right on his tail. So it was it was dramatic, man. And Rory got to do what I was talking about, which is you give yourself the green jacket. It's the old you know, green jacket reacharound. It's a it's a rare But then that it seemed like the commissioner of the masters put it on. I mean, how did you feel? Did he like that? I mean, someone had I mean, I don't think it's possible for you to hand yourself your own jacket to put on. It would have to levitate somehow. I'm sure we could get like some small drones that could kind of put the jacket up in the air. Kind of like it. I always think of like, I don't know, Disney or something where they had like they would have birds or something holding a garment for Snow White or something and like put it around. I'm sure we could make up like some drone version of that that could have put the jacket on for Rory. Yeah. I was about to say Corey. I don't even know any Coreys. Corey Corey Matthews. Corey Matthews, yeah. I mean you can blame it to wrong. Yeah, he was not in the tournament. But yeah, I I guess someone had to physically hold it, is my point, Dan. But that's cool. I mean, and now I I one of the things we should have looked into is like, do you just repeat the same meal for next year, or are you gonna go with a new meal? Well, we do have new? Yeah, you can't just cut it. Oh, yeah, the same thing. I mean, I don't know. You won. Yeah, you won. I would just I would do the same thing. Oh god, same thing as last year, or he's like, let's go. Oh god, peach ice cream again. Oh so he chooses the menu, but who pays for the the the stuff?

Stat Boy 17:55

He does. He does, yeah. So every year a new champion has to pay for one extra new person, right? As you keep getting more winners.

Dr. TAT 18:02

Yeah, but except unless you win yourself, and then you just have to pay for yourself. Yeah, it's uh this was an economic well there are repeat winners too. Yeah, yeah, stat boys. So not every year there's a new member. Usually, you know. And then like some of the members die, so you know, you it's gonna there's a there's a circle of life. There's yeah. Rory was the first back-to-back winner since Tiger. Since Tiger, and it's been a shade under quarter century. It's been a while. Did you listen to Jim Nance and the in the music? I did. Yeah, yeah. It's one of my favorite parts. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He had some good calls. He did. He did. He he was good. Yeah. And the 18, I mean, Rory Rory did give us something, right? Like we didn't get the playoff, but he he was like, all right, I'm just gonna jack this one right into the woods. So and then that second shot got a lot of controversy too, Dan. Did you were you watching at that time? Yeah, I was, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like they I remember the first. Yeah, I remember he had a crap, like he was like ordering the crowd to get out of the way. Like it was crazy. And then yeah, the second, was the second one bad or I forget. The second one, they they didn't show the shot though. Yeah, he was in nowhere it went. Yeah, it just showed a general picture. It went in the bunker, right? It went in the bunker. Yeah, yeah. And then yeah. And then he had two chances, and yeah, that that putt was clutch or whatever that shot that shot was the where he was able to yeah, super close. Yeah, I mean, good good for Rory. I mean, I I I don't I I find him to be someone that you know, I I I think it's always good for golf to have someone who's dominant that then it's like him versus the field or something like that, some storyline, it helps. Yeah, there hasn't been a tiger since Tiger, and I don't not I'm not necessarily saying Rory's gonna win five more majors in the next year, but yeah, because that's impossible. But you know, it it'll be interesting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, now they're down in Hilton Ed, South Carolina for the heritage tourney, but Sheffler's in it, but not MacRoy. So we'll see. Oh, there you go. Rory's taking a week off. Yeah. It's interesting. Good for him. Yeah. Yeah. What else? What else you got cooking? We got uh we got so yeah, there's I mean, I follow tennis too, but we only got to talk about tennis because it's like, but maybe when the majors come, we'll talk about tennis. But uh Eagles draft, so we're one week out. There we go. Stat boy was yeah, stat boy was the meme of the kid who's got his red face just sitting like about to like explode. Not a golf guy, but I am an football guy. So like, yeah, drafts are always interesting because definitely over the years, like there's been drafts where I'm very knowledgeable about it, but then there's also been drafts where like it's going into draft day. I'm like, I have no idea any of these. So like I did listen to a good podcast. I'll give it a shout out, Zach Berman and Shield. I don't know if you guys ever listen. It's like part of what the heck is it? Part of the ringer, the special. So they they gave like 10 guys. Zach Berman's really good.

Stat Boy 20:50

He gave like 10 guys that was uh are you just gonna like steal all his no.

Dr. TAT 20:56

So I don't I don't have a list of the guys, but but I'm curious to hear what you guys say because I I do have some knowledge, a little bit about and uh it's also position, like what like I really from listening to them and just reading, like I you kind of know what the positions are that they're really looking at, at least I think. Right. So so who are your guys? Well, yeah, first of all, like I'll say so it I think it tell me if you disagree, but I think it could either be wide receiver, tight end, offensive tackle, edge, or safety. Yeah, it could be it could be any of them. It could be a kicker, it could be a long snapper. Well, we just locked down our punter, so it's probably not gonna be a punter. But it seems like it seems like there's good offensive tackles. Like I heard a few like really good offensive tackles that are out there, which I'm sure Dr. Tat knows all about, and Staff Boy's obviously an expert on this. Couple wide receivers. There's one from Indiana that I heard's good. One from Arizona. Mm hmm. Yeah. Arizona State. Arizona State. Yeah, yeah. Sun Devils. Yeah, he looks good. Couple good edge players, like edge. You know, rushers safety from Oregon. Oh, and then there well there's like it's we don't need a tight end, but this guy Sadiq that they're talking about. I mean, he they said he lined up as like a running back at times. Like he's kind of just like a freak out that you could poke forever. No, I agree. Now it will like it's also just like so Howie and Sirianni spoke this week and you know, everyone's wondering are we and plus we also got Dontavian Wicks from Green Bay. We did. Gave up a decent amount from draft picks, you know.

Stat Boy 22:28

Fifth and a sixth, I think, or something like that.

Dr. TAT 22:30

It sure looks like we're gonna trade AJ, like the way they're bringing in all these wide receivers. I think if we draft wide receiver early, like I mean, it I can't see us investing all this, you know, capital and draft picks into a wide receiver without like also like why would they come here? Like, why is like Hollywood Brown, Elijah Moore, Wicks coming to Philly on, you know?

Stat Boy 22:55

Well, you I don't know. Look where you know the new OC's coming from Green Bay, so you gotta think about how that system looked. And when you go over there, they drafted, was it Golden last year, I believe, is the primary. But I mean, they had a plethora of receivers in that room. They had him, they had Jordan Reed or Reed, I think is the other one. They had Doms, uh, Christian Watson. So they had a lot of actual receivers there too. They seem to like to spread the ball around there and they like to have different options with different players. So I think they're bringing that philosophy of the Eagles. Is there hey, we might not want to have you know two really high-priced receivers that are going to be the only two on the field most of the time. I think they want to rotate guys more often. So I agree. I think they're kind of setting themselves up for departure of AJ, and they're just trying to get ahead of it. I don't know about the draft though. I think we have other needs in the first round than a receiver. Yeah, even though it's nice to have the two really big offensive type guys, but I don't think we necessarily need that.

Dr. TAT 23:50

Yeah, who do you who do you like? Stat boy going back to the draft position, person. Do you do you think they're gonna stick and pick? Are they gonna go move up, move down?

Stat Boy 23:59

I think Howie's always looking to move up. I I heard the same thing about offensive line in this draft. I think there's a certain level of also offensive line where you gotta get your guy within that first round for offensive line, or you don't get him until the later end of the draft. So, you know, with our O line starting to get old, you know, I think Howie is gonna make a play for an offensive lineman. But if that's not the case, I think we're gonna have to invest in our offense to go cheap in the future. I think Sadiq is an interesting person as well for tight end. I I don't know if we're willing to pay that price in the first round, though, for that. I think we value our line more, and I think we obviously value edge rusher. You know, we were looking at possibly trading for Parsons last year. We were looking at, you know, Crosby maybe a little bit. So I think it is between alignment, either defensive or offense, but I think we're trying to more set up ourselves for the offense.

Dr. TAT 24:51

I totally agree. I I think we're we're looking at a pick D end or tackle would be my preference. And I think like any time that you're in the 20s or or second half of the first round, you got to see how the board goes. You know, you get all this speculation, right? Like, what if Caleb Downs goes down to 13-14? Is how we gonna no, no. Like we I I I think the Eagles, and and to actually cite, I listened to that same podcast. One of the things Berman was saying was that he thinks that the Eagles are drafting for 27 and 28 in some ways for this draft. Like, one of the things that I think Howie has done really well is not only has he gotten us over the hump to win a Super Bowl in the last five years, but he likes to keep us competitive for I mean, the birds have been competitive for probably the last better part of the last decade, give or take one or two years, right? I mean, yeah, for the most part, we're making the playoffs, and and part of that is that you have to you have to kind of groom the next person. And so this is a critical year where Lane Johnson, realistically, it's probably his last year or second to last. And so you probably want that next guy to be in the wings like a Cam Jergens to a Kelsey. And yeah, you can debate Cam Jergens and the amount of stem cells in his body and his disc and where he's at. But the truth is he's got a ring and he was a big part of that you know, rushing attack. So you kind of have to get that baked into it. Yeah, yeah. Then it'll be like if they do get a tackle, because there are multiple tackles that look good out there. Which one do you want? There's a guy from Clemson, Blake Blake Blake. Blake I mean Berman's top guy was from Georgia. I forget his name. Caden Proctor. Yeah, Procter. Yeah, so he seems damn good. You know, he's he's young. He's enormous. Yeah. It's what 6'6, 350 or something. Or am I thinking of somebody else? 6'7, 352. Yes. Yeah, yeah. From Alabama. Big I'd love hearing Dr. Tat talk about offensive linemen because it's almost as if he did it before. Yeah, I mean, you've got you've got there's there's probably two-ish guys that are gonna be drafted much higher that they can't get like Founu. Spencer Faunew is the Utah Tac. Yeah, yeah. He's not he's not gonna be a state guy, too. Oh, the Dan, the Penn State guy down. Shelton? He's a guard. Is that a Shelton guy? He's a guard. You're thinking of Vega. What's his last name, oh? Uh Lobby. Hard to say. Yeah. He is an absolute mauler. And I would love Turtles just like sweating right now. I don't bother. Yeah, I don't think Vega's gonna I don't think Vega's gonna make it because we'd have to jump over the Chargers to get him. And you would argue value for a guard as your you typically want to draft tackles in the first round just because they're such a rare commodity. Stat boy's dead on, right?

Stat Boy 27:43

Yeah, I mean I mean I want to get into a little bit of this later, but when you look at the players' position, like right now the Eagles are in the 23rd draft position. So the average there's an average salary for the positions in the round. So like in the first round, the average cost of the 23rd pick is usually around 19 mil, right? So then if you look at what the average salaries for starting position players are, a quarterback averages about 30 mil, right? So if you take a quarterback at 23, you're paying him 19, he's worth 30, so you're getting good value there. But when you go to the other positions, like offensive tackle, you know, a starting offensive tackle is 13, it's the second highest paid position. So that's why offensive tackles and quarterbacks are like so. That's what you want to look at is like what are you paying for to get a guy to start for you versus what the average starter would cost. So, yeah, I mean, like if you want to go after an offensive tackle, that's 13 mil or thirteen million in average cost. But if you're looking at like a center, it's only six. And then if you're looking a guard, you're looking at seven. Yeah. So you're almost twice as valuable, right? The tackles versus the guards.

Dr. TAT 28:49

And and the 2026 NFL, like the modern NFL game, there are three people that matter on the field more than any other group of players. It's the guy who throws the ball, it's the guy who protects the guy who throws the ball, and it's the guy who goes against the guy who protects the guy who throws the ball.

Stat Boy 29:06

And those are the top three positions in on high starters.

Dr. TAT 29:10

Edge, tackle, quarterback. Those are the three. And then you have these, and and and statboy and I talk about it all the time. He statboy and I will get on the same wavelength, which is kind of cool on the on draft nights, and we'll we'll both have very similar guys that we like love. And you know, we were both on board with Jefferson, we were both on board with Hamilton. So you do get these like phenom like, for example, I think if Caleb Downs was ever available, I would actually, I would break the paradigm. I would get him on my team. He I think he would be he's just it's so funny because we spend all this time dissecting players and looking. He was the Ohio State set safety. Yeah, Dan was Dan was looking looking at he's I mean that Berman loved him. He said he was like the top guy. He's there are certain things like I find that this whole process it it really starts to strip away some of the basics. Like you want to draft football players, like dudes who are just good at playing football, and so many of those things are not done in Indianapolis. And and you're seeing this trend, right, Dan, where people are caring less about the 40, people are caring less about even like three cone and some of the stuff. They're more about like the technical stuff that they're doing, the the pass drills for linemen or catching the ball or throwing the ball, and now they're looking more at the character of the players, too. I think these interviews are becoming more valuable than anything else. So you look at a guy like Cale Downs, they say he's like brilliant on the interviews, and he's just a football player. The dude plays football well, and it's hard to explain, but you take a guy like Cooper DeGene, right? He's just a football player. I mean, he's obviously a fantastic athlete. Dude made it to the second round. It's it's absurd, right? When you think about it, he would probably be a top 10 pick if you redrafted that class. Yeah, yeah. In fact, the Eagles probably drafted two top ten picks in the first two rounds of that draft, that 24 draft. Quenyan and Cooper? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when you think about it. How about, yeah, one thing like so if they do take one of the that's great stuff, yeah, from both of you. Great job. Thank you. If they did take a offensive tackle, so let's say they took the Penn State guy or Proctor or Blake or the Lemousse. Monroe Freeling or yeah. Would you I wanna you know we'll see if they do that, but if they did, I I wonder, like, would they like Lane and Mylotta are going to be here next year, right? They're bona fide starters. Yep. Would you put him at guard? Even if he's a tackle by nature, like would you put him at guard for Stein or would you have him wait in the wings? Like I wonder what their approach, you know, they haven't said I mean it's interesting, Dan, because we're in a we're in a post-Stoutland world, right? And prior to Stoutland leaving, I I would I would say whatever Stout thinks, right? And but I think traditionally this type of person would probably play the swing tackle role, not be a starter, but likely would get playing time because listen, not a swinging Johnson, though. Yeah, is he's not a swinging Johnson. We do have two Johnsons on the team, so I I don't think any of the top tackle picks are Johnsons. I bet there are a couple Johnsons that do get drafted this year. And I'm always a big J name guy, right? That's that's part of the podcast. So I'm trying to think. Whoever this new guy is, like we'll if we bring in an offensive lineman, like yeah, will he be able to make his way with two big Johnsons, you know? Well, you know, you just you you gotta you gotta find room where you can find it, right, Dan? And yeah, I I I think Dan's doing some kind of crude pun here, Staff Boy. It's really distasteful. I mean, and these are real these are hardworking men that block the people who are trying to tackle your quarterback. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Who's your top offensive line tackling? Well, I think Spencer Falnu is the top tackle, but he I don't think will be available. But it's very interesting, Dan, because when it's debatable. He's actually fourth on this list. That's debatable, right? And and the truth is, Dan, when we got Lane Johnson, he was not the first tackle that was drafted. Do you remember the tackle that was drafted?

Stat Boy 33:18

Yeah, because Lane was what top five second or second pick in that draft? What was he, Lane? Oh, top five. Dig it up, three.

Dr. TAT 33:26

I'll say four. I don't know. But one of the like the one the one thing we can thank Chip Kelly for is that he drafted the greatest eagle of all time. That's kind of nice. Yeah, I can kid. But yeah, he was he was not the So it was actually the first pick in that draft. Yeah, the Chiefs picked Eric, what's his name? Fisher. Fisher. Yeah, okay. And that guy was a bum. He's not a bum, but he wasn't a first like overall type player. Lane Johnson was way better. Yeah, he's a so the truth is, Dan, that there's probably one of these guys is gonna be a Johnson level guy. And you're probably gonna there's probably a couple Fishers in the city, too.

Stat Boy 33:59

So it's a little hard to say. Well, let's not forget, though, I know you you give a lot of credit to Chip for drafting Johnson, but let's not forget the pick right before Johnson was a guy from Oregon that he absolutely loved. Yes. Deion Jordan. Yep. Remember the DN, the kids.

Dr. TAT 34:14

Which would have been another whiff.

Stat Boy 34:15

Huge boss. And if he didn't get picked by the Dolphins, we probably would have taken him before lane.

Dr. TAT 34:21

Yeah. You know, one of the there's there are two reasons I love the draft, Dan. Number one, it replenishes the where do you go to college discussion, right? Every year it's just this evergreen, you know, spring has sprung, there's new blossoms, and then there's new colleges that I need to learn where these guys go from. Quinyon came from Toledo, remember that? Quinon's Toledo. There's another safety from Toledo that's of high level. Now, the tricky part is the new NCAA, they go to multiple schools. So, like when when I ask you like where did he go to college, I I feel like we still we should actually make this a rule right now while we're here. Let's just talk about it while we're here right now. When I ask you where they went to college, we should say what college they're at when they get drafted, right? Is that we're all agreement with that? Like Calen Downs is Ohio State. I think Joe Burrow is Ohio State. Joe Burrow is L. No, Ohio State. No, he he's messing with us. Like Cam Newton's Auburn. Cam Newton is a good thing. They go to Florida. Right, right, right, right. And so, yeah, so I think are we all in agreement? We're in agreement.

Stat Boy 35:29

Yeah, Baker Mayfield is Texas Tech, right?

Dr. TAT 35:31

Yeah, exactly. I I don't like this game. Texas Tech has a top guy, yeah. Bailey, he's like top five. Yes, Ed James. Yes, yes. I forget TJ is something Bailey, yeah. Yeah, it'll be interesting for sure. So so my point in all of this, Dan, is that the truth is there's probably if you it's oh the second thing, right? So I just talked about replenishing. The second thing I love about the draft is that if you go back like every year, the other drafts get older. So I I usually like to go back at the five. That's usually how it works. I usually go five years back and I look at that draft and then I see like where certain players, because then you can look at who are the current all pros. Because when you think about developing a great player in the NFL, the realistic thing is there's very few like phenoms, like there's very few Quinyan Mitchell's, right? But you do have guys who develop into that level, and it's usually the first three to five years of their career. Yeah. So so when you look five years down the road, which was 2021. So the 2021 draft, you can say, all right, these are the guys that actually were the guys you should have drafted, and you'll be shocked because they'll come over. They'll be all over the place. And a lot of them aren't even in the first round.

Stat Boy 36:39

Yeah, like like Micah Parsons was taken in that draft. He was taken after we took Devontae Smith. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So I mean, people always say he should have been evil, but Devontae Smith has been pretty phenomenal for us at that position. Didn't we jump? Did we jump the Giants to get Devontae Smith? I think we jumped somebody, right? Yeah, we actually we traded with Dallas. Yeah. And jumped the Giants. To jump the Giants, who then the Giants jumped out of that spot after to Cle uh to Chicago, who drafted Fields. Yeah. Yeah, because I think they were ready to draft him.

Dr. TAT 37:11

That was that crazy draft with that quarterback. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, well Lawrence went first there. But yeah, go through, if you don't mind, go through the first 23 picks for the 2021 NFL Jack. So first overall pick was Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence.

Stat Boy 37:23

Zach Wilson was number two. Bust. Bust. Huge. Trey Lance is number three. So three quarterbacks. Three busts. And then Artex. Lawrence. Yeah. Lawrence is a bust. I think. He's like a first or all the ball. He's like a great playoff quarterback.

Dr. TAT 37:38

He's a playoff quarterback. Yeah, so is Wilson and Lance are like real like great A bots. Mark Sanchez was a playoff quarterback. May he rest in peace. Fields was what?

Stat Boy 37:50

Sorry, Fields came in a little later there. So that was the top three picks. Fields was 11th. Yeah. But you had Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase. Great, great probably is the best picker.

Dr. TAT 37:59

So number one should have been Jamar Chase. Yeah. And number two should have been Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is number one in my heart.

Stat Boy 38:06

Jalen Waddell was after Chase. Penny Sewell. Yeah, so Sewell should have been. Yeah, he was really good. He's the reason why the Lions have been resurgent over the last year. Dan's shrugging. Dan doesn't. JC Horn was a cornerback who plays who you loved. I liked him. Panthers. Yeah. Yep. Because his dad played in the NFL and he did the whole cell phone deal if you square a touchdown. I was like, I gotta go like that. You love a horn. Yep. Then the other guy that everyone wanted to draft as an Eagle, Patrick Sertan. Yep. He was after JC Horn.

Dr. TAT 38:34

He's the best cornerback in the league.

Stat Boy 38:36

Yeah, they say he is. So you look at that.

Dr. TAT 38:38

Between him, Chase is probably the best wide receiver in the league.

Stat Boy 38:41

I think Patrick was the Broncos when Fangio was there, too. This is actually an unbelievable draft. Yeah, so far. Go into the teens. So Devontae's 10. Yep. Then you had Fields, Parsons, Slater as an offensive target. That's another quarterback at like 14. Then Mac Jones was drafted at 15. Yeah, he drafted to the Patriots. Mac Child. Yeah. Whoa. Then a couple, you know, guys that probably no one really knows about. Jalen Phillips was drafted there, who wasn't X Eagle. He was 18. Kadarius Tony was the guy that was picked up by the Giants because it couldn't get Devontae Smith. Super Bowl winning Kadarius Tony. They fell back with Chicago, so Chicago jumped to get fields and then they fell back and took Tony instead, and he was a huge bust for them. And then the rest of the draft seemed, yeah, for the first round. Nothing crazy.

Dr. TAT 39:27

Yeah, so so that's just a good example where like Penny Soul and Jamar Chase, uh, you know what? That that's a that's actually that's actually a pretty damn good draft because the first ten players are all great, great players. I'm actually happy with who we ended up with. Yeah.

unknown 39:43

Right?

Dr. TAT 39:43

Devontae Smith is I I would I would I would have bad like it seems like there were great picks in that draft, but also some really bad picks.

Stat Boy 39:50

I think I would take them over Jalen Waddell. I mean, Jalen Waddle was the second receiver in that draft.

Dr. TAT 39:54

So I think we got a better value there for him. Chase versus Devontae Smith. I think Chase is probably all due respect to Slip Reaper. Yeah. Both great players. Both great players. Moder respect. But Sewell arguably would probably be the number one pick if you redid. Well, no, Micah. Micah and Sewell would be like one, two. Yeah. Yeah. Two one, two, two, one. Good music. Yeah, the music for the draft is always great. I mean, we're not gonna yeah, but like it's where is the draft gonna be this this time? It's in Pittsburgh. Yeah, Pittsburgh, yeah. That's a shame. Yeah. Yeah. Slomo will be excited about it. Do you think like Sheets is gonna be there the whole time? Like Pizza and all that. Did they like walk out of it? Because one of the things, I what what year was it in Philly? 2016, 17? It was one of the years. The year we got barned out. No, I thought it was later. It was the year we won the Super Bowl.

Stat Boy 40:43

So 2017. Oh, yeah, because we let we announced the last pick in the first round. So it was the we won in 17, 18. So it was the year it was the year. Yeah, 17 it was.

Dr. TAT 40:53

But one of the one of the coolest things we did was the all the draft picks were on the top of uh in the first round were at the art museum. So they like re did like the Rocky thing, which was super cool. Yeah, yeah. Right? Because the green room was actually on the art museum steps. Did you know that? I assumed, yeah. I went to like the later rounds. I remember and I thought the draft was awesome. And you know, a place like Pittsburgh, what it what's like the Pittsburghian thing that they're gonna do to probably just like walk across one of the bridges or something. Heinz. Why is it Heinz ketchup? I feel like they just smoke, you know, like finish a heater, you know, eat like a permanent sandwich and then go out, you know, would be the most, you know, yinzer move they could do. Yeah. It's probably kind of boring to me. Kind of boring, right? Yeah. The Rust belt. The yeah. I wish they would bring it back to Philly. I would love to go back. It was a 2017 draft, yeah. 2017. Yeah. There you go.

Stat Boy 41:48

There's that first election was Miles Garrett.

Dr. TAT 41:50

He was pretty good. He's he's a pretty good player. Best defensive player in the league. Best defensive player in the league. So so I I guess the point is that in the first round, sometimes they do get it right with the first-ish pick. But uh, you know, a lot of times they're those like picks like eight through eighteen can really go any way. Yeah, yeah. And again, I always trust Howie. I think Howie is always looking out for it. He's a mover. Yeah, so we might not pick it. Was it 23? We could have a couple of things. Would you say the that the Eagles pick, is it more likely that they don't pick in the first round or that they pick a top 15 draft pick? Top 15. Meaning, yeah, okay. So you think they're gonna move up? Yeah, I mean that would be I think they could move up. One of the tackles like Freeling or Fountain for some uh ridiculous reason. Yeah, they might like last year they moved up one, right? They moved up one thing. They actually moved up one a couple of times. Yeah, that's like one of their I think they would do that if Vega was around, if they really want, because I think Vega's the guard that would perhaps replace Landon Dickerson. Yeah. And in my in my fan fiction of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2026, 2027, you've got that Vega dude, and right next to him snapping the football is Willie Lampkin. And then we're just gonna be the most Willie Lamkin. We're gonna be one of the most dominant teams of all time. We did not get Kyle Pitts, that would have completed the trifecta. Yeah, it'll be exciting. The draft's always cool, so it'll be it'll be fun to talk about. Yeah. Let's let's all predict our draft pick for the Eagles. Okay. I'm gonna go not all at once. I'm gonna go. I think they'll get an edge guy. I think they'll get an offensive tackle. Okay. No, I think they'll get an edge. I'm gonna go edge. He's gonna I think they went edge tackle. They won a Jalen Phillips and they lost you know, he got paid big and yeah, I think they'll go edge. Any particular edge you're uh hoping they get? No, just some edge guy. Yeah, good, good. I'd have to look at it. Set boy, how about you?

Stat Boy 43:53

I love that. Yeah, I think they're gonna tackle, honestly. I just don't know which one will be there for them at that pick. I do think they're gonna try to trick Trade up because they always have all these assets and they they have to use them. So for me, I think they're gonna fall into maybe the trying to look at the list of uh O tackles. I think they might go after the other Utah tackle, Kayla. Oh, Lolo. Yeah. Yeah, he's 6'6, 313. His overall reigning is 28th, so it'd actually be further down the last.

Dr. TAT 44:22

I think the Philadelphia Eagles with the 19th pick in the NFL draft are going to select Monroe Freeway, the Georgia tackle. He is he has all the tools in his what is how we like to say tools in his body. He's got all the tools in his body. He is he is as green as any player can be. So you sit him for a year and then he becomes your your Mennonite. You know, he'll he'll grow a little goatee, like it'll eventually become a giant beard like Wayne Johnson, and he becomes our next right tackle.

Stat Boy 44:52

That would be great.

Dr. TAT 44:55

You'd be happy with that. I would be very, very happy. I actually think the more Georgia players we draft, the better our team becomes. Yeah, yeah. So this is the best Georgia player to draft.

Panda Dan 45:06

Yeah.

Dr. TAT 45:07

Yeah. So so I think that's pretty good. And then I guess uh we should acknowledge the orange team in the Philadelphia sports fanfare. What do you think? Yeah, so we got the Flyers starting Saturday night. They're hosting the Pittsburgh Penguins. Pittsburgh again. Penguins still have Crosby and Malkin. I couldn't believe that. I looked at their stats. I'm gonna guess that Crosby and Malkin, their ages combined, is like 83 years old. They gotta be like both in their 40s, right? Stat boy, that's it. I think it's under 80. You think it's under 80? No, I think they're both pushing 40.

Stat Boy 45:40

They gotta be. So Crosby is 38, Malkin is 39. You gotta just nail it down.

Dr. TAT 45:48

I did look it up because I was curious.

Stat Boy 45:49

Good lord, that's like that that's really old. Don't you think that's old, Stat Boy? I think so. I mean, this could be probably their one of the last seasons in the NHL. So this could be if we we can close the chapter on the Crosby Malkin error.

Dr. TAT 46:02

Wouldn't that be nice? I would love that. That would be so nice. Yeah, I would love to see Slummo's face. Like it's kind of interesting right now because even just having conversations today with folks, like the Flyers are like kind of a they're a hot team. They're everyone's sort of optimistic. Like I'm not hearing concern about the Flyers. Because like it's also like expectations are kind of like it's new, it's fresh, what's yeah, that new smell. Yeah, that new Flyers playoff smell. And then you got the uh the Sixers start on Sunday, so they start on Sunday against Boston. They can they won that they won last night against Orlando. Old stale Sixers smell. And B just had an appendix surgery, which appendicitis, right? Well, we all saw that coming though, right? And so that I mean something always happens with Embiid, but but yeah, so the Sixers are kind of like everyone's like, well, they're like a what do they say? The lamb. I'm gonna screw this up, but what's the are the sheep going to the sheep? Oh they're they're oh sending the the lambs to slaughter, huh? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like that. But yeah, it's it's pretty big. The sixers are a little bit they're a little bit dangerous. If MB can be healthy, then the optimism. I mean, I'm I think they're gonna lose. Like I'm my I'm a betting man. I already placed my bets. They haven't beaten busted in years. I think it was like the 80s the last time. I get excited about NBA playoffs because I got I remember we won't talk about it, but last year I had some crazy best. We'll save that. Yeah, we'll save that for later uh in this podcast. Similar this this year, but it's different. Oh, I can't wait for it. But uh nuggets. I think it's important. I think as Embiid's appendix was removed from his body, I so also think that that was probably the appendix to the trust the process book. I think we're we're done with it. It's it's finally dead. I mean, I could debate that. We got zero championships from the process. This process is processed. But the Flyers, I think Hope Springs Eternal, you know. I do frisky. They're they're fun and frisky. They're fun and frisky. They're fun and frisky. And while I don't want to think about what gritty smells like, I'm excited to see him get to do his thing, right? Like gritty does not I I actually met Gritty once, Dan. Oh yeah? Yeah, he came he came to I I formerly were shaking his hand or what did he his eyeballs are kind of all over the place. Yeah, I well I think he had been I think he had taken some substance because he he really was out of it. But I I used to train at a facility as at fake doctor school in Philadelphia. Yeah. And part of this was actually first when when Gritty was around. Like I think Gritty's about seven or eight years old. This is you were working at Jimmy John's and you were also in the fake doctor school. Yeah, that's right. And and so I got to meet Gritty, and when he came up to me, he he like honked. Like he just talks and honks. Yeah. You know, like the fanatic is silent, basically. Like he's always his belly out. He sticks his belly out, he like frenches your girlfriend, your wife, and then you know, he's got that tongue action going. I mean, he's he's a bit of a debonair, that that green guy. But gritty, it's more like you know. He's kind of one of a kind, though. Yeah, gritty. You're kind of worried he's gonna like he'll either like hug you or mug you, you know what I mean? Like I I I kind of feared for my life briefly. Yeah. He's tall, he's like six. He's big, yeah. I've seen him before too, just at like random. Honestly, gritty would make a great bookend tackle, you know, just a big hairy. He would get home to the quarterback. You think he'd be an edge? See, I think gritty would very much be a tackle. Yeah, yeah. I think he's on the overall. So if you look at the four mascots, right, you gotta think that the fanatic and gritty are both my bookend tackles, is where I would put both of them, right? They've got good size, the feet are phenomenal. Which sixers thing do we have now? Is it the dog? Is it the is it still Franklin? Franklin's like our boost hip hop. What was it? Yeah, yeah. So when it's so when it was hip hop, hip hop would be my he would be my like he would have been my scatback type, right? Like change of pace, like my tank Bigsby, right? Yeah, so that would be hip hop. The current Franklin would be like my punter or something, or long snapper. He'd be he'd be like a I'll say less corner role. Yeah, and he's like a backup, like cornerback or something. Yeah, yeah. And then swoop, man. Swoop is rather like a safety, like a ball haul thing. I totally agree. I actually wanted to put him in the defensive backfield. I like to think of Swoop. Swoop's kind of built like Dawkins, I think. Yeah, and I I I would love to treat him the same way. Yeah, like he would just beat the crap out of Algy Crumpler if he saw him. Yeah, you know that would be funny. Good. Just imagining Fanatic and Gritty as offensive.

Stat Boy 50:49

Which means we clearly have the two best you know, mascots out of all sports between the fanatic and couldn't agree more. Could not agree more.

Dr. TAT 50:57

Honestly, we should just make all four of the I mean, with all due respect to Swoop, hip hop slash Franklin, they all should be kind of like giant Muppets. Like, you know, Gritty's just orange fur. You've got, and I know and there are probably people screaming at me in the ether, but yes, I know that the fanatic is a Galapagos Island member and he's like technically a bird, but I consider him basically like a giant Muppet type. And then it would be nice if we just had a red and a like it's tough because it would be another green, but I wish they were all to like Jim Hensonified. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All due respect to Swoop. I understand, but he I I've met Swoop before as well. He he's similarly he's shorter, he's a little bit more stoic compared to Gritty. I I felt much more at ease meeting him. Yeah. Do the Union have one? They have what I guess. It's a snake, right? Yeah, yeah, I think right. Yeah, I mean no one knows it. Yeah, now we're really digging deep. I guess the pen quaker could be like one of he'd be like our own. I picked it. Didn't you have a big orange guy? We had an orange. Yeah, giant orange. Otto was his name. Oh yeah. Yeah, Otto the Orange. Yes. And then uh you went to Did you go to school, college? I did not. Yeah, yeah. We don't even have to worry about it. Yeah. I would like for you what else do we get? Oh, yeah. I would like for you to get to sound off. I just gotta give a shout-out too to um Pete'll appreciate this. WrestleMania is this weekend. Oh, Walmart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't I gotta like do more research, but it I pick I'm not sure. I'm getting I'm guessing it's on Peacock, I think. We'll have to check that, but yeah, WrestleMania. I love that. I always thought that was in February. That's interesting. Me, Pete, and Tom have uh group text called Wrestling Chat, and we talk about wrestling as well. Oh no, is that a year-round chat? Or is it, yeah, year-round. But this is a big time of year for this is like our WrestleMania is the Super Bowl of the WWE season. Yeah, it's a Super Bowl, it's the biggest, it's the biggest, grandest stage of them all. And Brock there, Roman Reigns will be there. What's the yeah, what's the main event this year? Yeah, let me pull it up. We've we were actually just no, we were texting about it recently. So it's two days. It's Saturday and Sunday. Sunday's card is like way better than Saturday. Yeah, yeah. That's what you call it. So Roman Reigns versus CM Punk, Brock Lesnar versus FEMI. I'm not sure that is. FeMI. Jade Cargill against Ripley, Rhea Ripley, that's the that'll be a good one. That's the women's match. Okay. Finn Baylor versus Dominic Mysterio. There's a six-man ladder match, ladder, you know. Oh. Oh, nice.

Stat Boy 53:47

In Tunisia?

Dr. TAT 53:48

Is there is is someone going for the belt? Like the biggest one, I think it's Roman Reigns. Yeah, World Heavyweight Champions, CM Punk versus Roman Reigns. Okay. Do you have a dog in that fight? Who are you rooting for? Probably CM Punk. He's cool. I mean nice. Like the entrances are amazing. Like, even if like you're not into wrestling, like the entrances are like epic. Oh, I I totally agree. Yeah, they play good music. And sometimes they'll have like for WrestleMania, they'll actually have the band come. Like I remember CM Punk yet. Do you guys know the band Living in Living Color? They sing. I forget. They're like an older, older band, yes. Yes, they are. But they would actually come and like like perform for the entrance. So it's like you could tell it's like a big deal. It's like, wow, like the actual Where is it? Where is it gonna be held this year? It's in Vegas. And it's been in Vegas last year, too. And I think it was just like awesome. Hell yeah. I I'm I'm excited. I hope Mr. Punk holds off Mr. Reigns. And and the ladder match, man, count me in. I'll definitely catch that. Yeah, check it out. And your kids, yeah, your kids might like it. It's really fun stuff. Yeah, Kit Kitat's gonna love the ladder match. Yeah, yeah. 100%. Set ladder. Set ladder. So yeah, there's just a lot. I mean, we got the Phillies going on. I haven't been to a game yet, but on a baggie game, yeah.

Stat Boy 55:01

A little depressing of recent. They're not playing great. Yeah, just the Phillies. Yeah. You know, like I always believe that they are warm weather teams. So, you know, the beginning of the year is always gonna be slow for them, and the bats wake up when it gets warmer out. Yeah. I think the pitching's playing well. If you look at the advanced metrics for them, their metrics are good. Yeah. It's just it's not showing up on the field. So it seems like they got a good point.

Dr. TAT 55:23

Because they got Turner, Schwerber, Harper. Like, who should be the cleanup hitter? I feel like that's been like something they've been juggling around. Yeah. Because they had Bohm, then they they had Marsh there, like, they also have Garcia, I think, they're gonna toy around with him.

Stat Boy 55:35

But I think what's ended up gonna happen is Crawford's playing really well at the bottom of the lineup. I think they like them there because it turns it over well, but I think if he's playing really strong and he gets the ball in the play more, you know, putting him in the leadoff slot, I know that's a lot for a young guy, but then just push one back. And then you bump everyone down one is not a bad idea. And then but and then then but you know, Harper likes to always be in his in the third uh spot. So and maybe that's where Swarber gets pushed, maybe to the cleanup.

Dr. TAT 56:01

Yeah, I always kind of like having Schwarber in the top three so you get as many at-bats as possible during the game. Yeah.

Stat Boy 56:06

I I I mean, I always like having Swarber with people on base. The problem is when he leads off, he doesn't have that much. It's only when you turn that lineup over.

Dr. TAT 56:13

Yeah, fair. Fair. Yeah.

Stat Boy 56:17

Yeah.

Dr. TAT 56:17

Any sound offs for us?

Stat Boy 56:19

Uh we're kind of late this week. I think people are kind of getting ready for the draft, so they're just waiting for us to speak on it, which we did. Yeah. I don't have a lot of that, but any emails? No, none of that. This has been very light, very quiet. Very light, very quiet. I don't know. Dan, did you get any side texts or anything? Side text.

Dr. TAT 56:37

Yeah, we'll have to uh yeah, we'll generate some. I don't know, maybe. I would love to get our first international. If anybody international is listening, you would like to send us an email. If one of the 23 Vietnamese listens, please by all means. We can we can translate any questions. Yeah. I mean we can be very comfortable. Yeah, yeah. So sethike bod at gmail.com. We have so many international listeners. We have a lot of American listeners.

Stat Boy 57:00

Doubled our international listening basis. We want to know who these people are.

Dr. TAT 57:04

One of the things I want to do is I want to make sure that uh our sticker talk, right? We respect the sticker, it's gonna become more of a fabric of our society. We should we should really translate Seth into all the different languages. I think that's what we're gonna do, right? We're gonna have like a UN of set hike podcast stickers. Yeah, like that.

Stat Boy 57:22

Yeah, and we should probably give them a little bit of a flair for each one. Yeah, and then we should give them to whoever we know that goes away to a country on your ship.

Dr. TAT 57:30

Like like you let us know if you're going to Estonia or Belarus in in 2026 and we'll get you such an instant celebrity there. Yeah, we'll get you, we'll get you those stickers. That won't be a problem at all. And if you're a bot, shame on you. We're we're bot protected. I got an email saying we're bot protected. I'm told we're bot protected, but I can't I can't imagine that there's that many Belarusians that have Ecuadorians. Yeah. What's number two right now? Is it still Vienna? Oh, bio. Yeah, they're not. Do you mean from the international standpoint? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, internationally. And how many countries just so everyone knows? All right, so at this point, we're just like used to it. Like we're like we're international superstars.

Stat Boy 58:07

Yes, we are. I think we're at like 30. So 29 outside of the case. Yeah, we're at 30 countries. Last, like I said, last week we're at like 15. So like doubled in the city.

Dr. TAT 58:19

There's clearly some sort of software right now that has us every time we acknowledge countries, it's just like it's pushing new countries and just making it up as it goes. Vietnam is clearly our second favorite. Yeah, there. Third is Venezuela. I'm gonna say Algeria three times right now, and I'm gonna see if we get a if we get a listen from Algeria. Algeria, Algeria, Algeria. Yeah. All right, and I Venezuela and it's like beetle juice. I bet it I bet that country's now gonna get a listen.

Stat Boy 58:47

You know, I know we always talk about this international stuff, which is really cool in our way, but I really enjoy knowing which cities are like competing within the US of each other. Yeah, well, how many we got is huge. Every week it goes between these two. We have a huge debate between the Philadelphia area and Havertown. Wow. Almost literally thought those two areas are fighting for the first position. They're like always one or two listens different from each other.

Dr. TAT 59:13

Where Panda Dam lives and where Panda Dam works. Yep. Those are the two big areas. Work, home. Yeah. Home, work. Yeah.

Stat Boy 59:20

Some respectable amounts, other places.

Dr. TAT 59:22

We got a lot of cities, right? Yeah, we got over a hundred. Yeah, I mean 160 little cities. And we're coming up on a thousand listens, right? Like uh downloads. Yes. I I do actually, I did receive a text that I would like to broach as our kind of like you know, we we don't like getting on tangents too much on the show, so I briefly, right? You know, it's like two in the morning now, so just by Dan time. But I got a text, and this was actually during Statboy had a very nice family gathering of some sort. And one of the things I talked about with a couple set hike listeners was how do you define a cookie? Like what characteristics are cookie? Yeah. And can you can like can you name three things that if I if we if you like say those words or or characteristics, it gets it a cookie. How do you define a cookie? It has to be usually they're round, right? That's what I said first. I said round too. I think you have to have it be round, although there were some folks it's gotta be sweet. I have to be able to hold it in your hand. All right, so handheld. So handheld and round were the two that I had. Okay. After some debate. There's a third thing. What other things like does a cookie have to be? You feel like it has to be sweet. So round, handheld, and sweet. But there's a lot of but sweet. You know what? The shape helps because brownies are not round. Pies are round, handheld, and sweet, but you have to slice it. The small things? Yeah, like a book.

Stat Boy 1:00:59

But when I think of a pie, I think of like a pie you have to cut and slice it.

Dr. TAT 1:01:02

It's hard. It's like a meat pie is round, it's handheld, but that's not all meat. It's not sweet. Yeah, it's not sweet.

Stat Boy 1:01:08

Yeah, depending on your flavor profile. I would when I think cookie, I always think like chocolate chips. I feel like it needs to have some type of filling or some type of I guess addition.

Dr. TAT 1:01:18

Is there any non-round cookies you can think of? Doesn't a I think a cookie has to be round, right?

Stat Boy 1:01:24

Yeah, like a cracker, like a gram cracker is kind of sweet. Yeah, but see that's a cracker. Yeah. Can you think of a non-round cookie? I don't think I can. Well, because usually when you make a cookie, you put the dough on a tray and it warms up and then it just spreads. I mean, great circular shape. I mean, sometimes we can buy like maybe that is airtight logic. Maybe the method on how you cook it matters. Needs to be behaved in the case. Why are they called cookies in to begin with? I don't know.

Dr. TAT 1:01:49

Yeah, I don't know.

Stat Boy 1:01:50

I don't know. Maybe maybe we can look it up.

Dr. TAT 1:01:52

Maybe we can't. Was this a heated debate? Or was it like did people what ended up happening is that we all started to just say a couple of things, and then we we started to delve into kind of this weird meandering discussion about like, you know, if something's stuffed versus unstuffed, and like where does an Oreo fit into things? Like, do you have to have frosting? And like, is is a ravioli like a savory Oreo? Like it really got into some real weird discussions. But I think you guys kind of nailed it because you got to the kind of conclusion that I had, which was that it has to be round, it has to be handheld. I didn't I don't know if there's a non-sweet cookie. I think they do have to be sweet. I think we do, but like but they don't eat it if it wasn't sweet. Would it be a cookie if it wasn't like I'm like, should it does it have to have sugar? But like it could be still butter, a stevia cookie. You've got sugar, you've got actually I guess m almost every cookie would have sugar in it, right? I don't know. There's like supply stevia. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure there's non-sugar. And then like there's there's some like what's a pizzell, like the the round Italian type cookie. Like, is that and then like what about a waffle? A waffle is round. I think a pizzelle is more like a waffle, like a thin waffle. So I don't think a waffle counts as a cookie though, right? No. But it's round, handheld. Not all waffles are. They're usually square. Like a way talking like an ego waffle. Yeah, exactly. That's not okay. That's uh that's like a so an ego waffle is not a cookie, but it has all the cookie. I I mean, I guess I mean like a pancake. Are we getting into the sandwich to make it? That's that that's definitely. Well, what about cakes? Cakes, what about a small cake? Is that like a stack? Cake is like bready, right? It's kind of like a cookie has to be hard. It has to have a hard texture, like a firm texture. It's got to be able to hold itself. It can't be soft. Like a pancake, soft. Like the texture is okay. So textures are gonna be like I th I I think you guys honestly nailed it. Round, handheld, sweet. Cookie. Cookie. And like is there anything else that's round, handheld, and sweet that you could argue gets into the cookie world? I tried an egg or waffle, but I think you guys punctured punctured that one pretty good.

Stat Boy 1:04:05

Handheld round sweet. Sweet.

Dr. TAT 1:04:09

Cupcake? Cupcake, that actually is tough. Yeah, I mean, it'd be that.

Stat Boy 1:04:15

It's not really round.

Dr. TAT 1:04:16

Does a cookie have to be flat? Three-dimensional. It's more like silicone. Does it have to be flat, a cookie? I feel like it should be. Because part of what I said was that's a more duty. And then you got a bunch of jabronies telling me about Oreos, and I'm like, yeah, but those are basically like two flat things with something in between. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An Oreo is probably more of a sandwich than a cookie. It is, it's a cookie sandwich. Boy. It's our Oreo. It's a two cookies. And then you look at like the keyboard. What about like a chip witch or something? Like that's not a key. Oh, I guess that's an ice cream. I think we it fits that criteria. I think those types of cookies cold, I guess. I think I think of a cookie, like the the top and bottom part of a Oreo, of an Oreo are cookies. Yeah. But but but that if you have that separate from an actual Oreo, it's not an Oreo anymore. It's just a piece of an Oreo. Yeah, that's like a manufactured like something. That's like that's too cooking. Yeah, at some point that becomes Can you look up. Yeah, what well this'll this'll wrap us up. Like let's go through. And also, yeah, let's go through everything. Why is it called a cookie? Like I'd love to. I don't know. Was there some guy named like John Cookie that, you know? I'll save it. I think it is, yeah. Like Abraham. Yeah, Joe Cookie. All right, stat boy, what do we get right now?

Stat Boy 1:05:32

All right. Yeah, we we kind of went along this and answered some things, but uh, just wanted to make a quick announcement. So we talked about some of the Eagles receivers coming on board. One of the guys is coming from Green Bay, we traded for Dontavian Wicks. Nickname, this is key. Tay. Nice Tay Wicks. Tay Wicks. Tay Wicks. So we got Tay Diggs, Tay Wicks. Yeah, so now we're we're we're building our Johnsons, we're building our Jalen's, now we're building our Tays. Yeah, good.

Panda Dan 1:06:00

Yeah.

Stat Boy 1:06:00

We're talking about the NFL draft and all the previous ones. We talked about the one that the Eagles drafted in in Philadelphia. They weren't the last pick in that draft. They were actually mid round because that is the year they actually won the Super Bowl. So can you name the player they drafted the year they won the Super Bowl before they won the Super Bowl? Barnett. Yeah. Derek Barnett. Derek Barnett. And who had a massive play in the Super Bowl, right? So I mean if you don't take him, he was drafted four.

Dr. TAT 1:06:24

And it's so funny because you would argue well, he recovered the Brandon Graham. But but you gotta have that guy.

Stat Boy 1:06:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean that was a key key pick. He went to Oklahoma State, I think. Derek Barnett was in Tennessee.

Dr. TAT 1:06:38

He was Missouri. Tennessee, Tennessee.

Stat Boy 1:06:40

No, he was Tennessee, I think. He was in Orange.

Dr. TAT 1:06:42

I thought he was Missouri. No, he was Tennessee. No, wait, well, he might have went to Missouri.

Stat Boy 1:06:46

You're thinking of Jeremy Macklin. Am I? Yeah, because he went to Tennessee where Reggie White went, right? And they were talking about how the legacy of Reggie White. Yeah, yeah. They were talking about the legacy of Reggie White. And like how he's coming in. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was a big pick. We're talking about mascots, right? So we're talking about Gritty, the Philadelphia Flyers was. Well, I was looking at mascots in NHL, and Gritty is in the top four top ranked mascots, but the mascot ranked above him is the penguins. And you his nickname is Iceberg. Have you ever seen him? Yeah. Yeah. He's like this big, tall, like kind of, you know, he's a little round. Penguin-shaped. He's very penguin-shaped. But I think where he gets his most, you know, people recognize him the most from an early 90s movie. Can you name him in the movie?

Dr. TAT 1:07:37

Early 90s movie that has a penguin in it? I mean, I only know one that I love.

Stat Boy 1:07:43

It's like one of those cheesy ones you saw on the TV all the time, but it's got Claude Van Dam in it. Jean-Claude Van Dam.

Dr. TAT 1:07:50

Oh, I know which one it is.

Stat Boy 1:07:51

It's one of my favorites.

Dr. TAT 1:07:56

No, this is a penguin. I'm gonna I'm gonna briefly summarize the film because you gotta watch it tonight. It's right after this. Well into the early morning, but it it's Jean-Claude Van Dam is at a hockey game, and he actually goes to the top of the hockey thing and like there's a bomb in there. And the whole film is him doing that, but at one point he becomes the goalie on ice and he like makes this huge save and then like does this sign to it. It is called sudden death. That's correct. It is one of my favorite Van Damme movies.

Stat Boy 1:08:26

And that's Pittsburgh. He's dressed up as Iceberg. So and I thought it was funny too, because when I was a kid, when I saw it on TV, I heard about Die Hard being a big movie. I thought that movie was Die Hard. It's actually known as the Die Hard in a Hockey Arena. That's the trope.

Dr. TAT 1:08:40

That's the classic trope is that Die Hard is like is your base to make any kind of movie thereafter. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for our Pokemon fans, it would be the Eevee of films, and then you just put a different stone. So if you put the NHL stone, you get sudden death. Yep. We should really delve into that in a future episode too.

Stat Boy 1:09:00

I mean, mascots are their own little thing. So that was cool. It's really cool. I love it. We didn't really talk about this tonight, but we talked about how Dan nailed his you know Masters, you know, guys, right? Well, I think I mentioned a guy a couple podcasts ago. We're talking about a player for the Detroit Tigers from Delco named Kevin McGonagall.

Panda Dan 1:09:18

Yeah.

Stat Boy 1:09:18

He just played 17 games. Cha ching. He just made some money. He just signed a hundred and fifty million dollar extension. Only 17 games in. That's interesting as hell, I thought. You know, the guy is he crushing it? Like I didn't look at his own. He's like batting around 300.

Dr. TAT 1:09:32

He's gotta be like a top three wealthiest Del Delco people. Currently, yeah. Like from Delco. You know what I mean? Like homegrown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that and the owner of it. Yeah, just like that.

Stat Boy 1:09:43

21-year-old. He went to Bonner. He went to Bonner. Yep. And then yeah, he got signed for that $150 million extension. Now, a lot of times players, the NH or the MLB are all about going after these young players with these really big long-term contracts because it's really attractive to sign that age. Kind of like what happened to Scott Kingry. Remember him? We signed him that contract thinking he would be something. Yeah, he was. But the thing is that they sign him for such a long contract that they buy out all his arbitration years is where you make your money. So actually, the most money he'll make in a singular year on this contract is about $28 million, which isn't even in the top four highest paid players now. But he's signed for the long term money. He knows. But we'll see. It's interesting, you know, being a a young guy from Delco already making a money. Yeah. God bless. Yeah. And then finally we'll get to that. Yeah, we'll get him. Yeah, we'll get him. For sure. And then finally we'll get into the cookie discussion. So it comes from a Dutch word, cookie, which is so it's just you just say cookie or cookie tau. And it it translates to little cake. Oh yeah. So historically they were small tet batches cakes. So they would put them in your your oven that test the temperatures. And they would do it in this was in late Europe. And yeah, the term then entered in American English, the Dutch settlers in New Amsterdam and gained popularity over the British term biscuit. So biscuit was like its competitor, and they're like, nah, we're gonna consume it.

Dr. TAT 1:11:10

Yeah, yeah. That's so so you're telling me that like Dutch dudes were like, oh, I got to make my cake. Uh boy, like temperatures from Dracula. Yeah. Oh, I gotta check my cake. But so I I can't. I apologize to the Netherlands has not listened, and I don't think they're going to now because they're gonna be turned off. Because they're like they're like Dr. Tat's impression of a Dutch person is von Dracula. But so you're telling me that like these Dutch dudes were gonna make a cake, and they're like, oh, before we make the cake, we're just gonna put pieces of the batter and in there and then just let it cook? Yeah, I think that's what I mean.

Stat Boy 1:11:46

They probably didn't have like three words or something, so they used like little bits of cookie or whatever, or a little bit of cake to test if it was gonna cake or something like that.

Dr. TAT 1:11:54

So we have the answer for what a cookie is. A cookie is a little cake. It's a little cake. And it's pretty much we're we're all sexual. They just think like when this earth was created that we're gonna get into that. No, like uh like cookies were just around, but like I always thought cookies grew on trees, personally. I thought it was like Adam and Eve like eating cookies or something. Yeah, I mean, you know, I thought it was just that there was a cookie tree and there's a cookie monster, and that was it. Yeah, but little did we know that the Dutch created the cookie. Yeah, that's and interesting. Just it I would think that there's other ways that you could check temperature besides cooking something. But far be it from me, Netherlands, non-listening to this podcast. You've made it's always interesting with the cookie. Yeah, real quick, like you all you know, chocolate chip cookie is probably like the most popular cookie, but sometimes you get fooled because it's uh it's a uh oatmeal raisin cookie. Which is one of my favorites. Like I've been fooled so many times, and they are good, but I think it's a chocolate chip cookie because it looks the same. It's a cookie with the chocolate. And then I realize it's a oatmeal raisin cookie, and then I'll be like I'm always a little disappointed when that happens. Are you? Yeah, but I do like the oatmeal raisin cookies with the frosting on the top. And then I know because then I'm like, yeah, I know when I'm getting it. I don't like when they don't put the frosting because I normally think it's chocolate chip. Brutal. Yeah, just a little cookie. Little cake. Yeah. We learned something today. You know, I would like to say that this podcast, the 21st inaugural, mind you, Stat Boy has been telling me we just got to get to 21, and we got there, Dan. We're there. It's been it's been quite a ride. Yeah. I feel like we're we have just unlocked a whole new world of you know, non-Netherlands countries listening to us with all due respect to the Dutch. And I I look so much forward to the next 21. And really, we should just rank each, you know, the podcast as a 21, you know, inaugural episodes, and then we're gonna do the 22nd inaugural episode, and then it'll be a 23rd and a 24th. That's kind of how counting works in my mind. So I very much look forward to each and every one of those with you, Staff Boy. I mean, yeah, we brought the goods tonight. I mean, I think this is definitely top it's probably top 20 for sure. Yeah, it was better than at least one of our previous ones. And uh this is a joy. I mean, yeah, a lot, a lot going on. Draft, six or as far as WrestleMania.

Stat Boy 1:14:24

Well, yeah, get ready because the draft is in a week.

Dr. TAT 1:14:25

So for those of you listening, you know, you may have leased the set hike podcast, but I think we're gonna buy it now. You know, it's time to buy, you know, we want to see uh in a set hike podcast listening. And I think Statboy's kind of thinking the same thing, just looking looking at us with his loving eyes. But what a privilege it is to have spent these twenty-one inaugural episodes with you. Yeah, it's been an absolute joy, and yeah, I it I love it, and it's good for all of us, and hopefully good for our listeners, because we care about them deeply, and it's a it's a it's a real gift. We are looking forward to this draft. Go birds. We are extremely excited. Let's get it. Go flyers, go to the birds, go CM Punk, CM Punk, Roman Reigns, CX. Sounds all good to me. All right, boys. For the Seth Podcast, I'm your host, Dr. Tat. And then it's that boy. Have a good one. Enjoy it. That's how the cookie crumbles. Boom. Heck yeah.

Panda Dan 1:15:25

Well, see you.